𐂯 THINGS R BETTER IF I STAY

#25

Anonymous October 2, 2026 at 2:25:36 AM

You guys are so goated for this thank u so much now I know who too avoid

Replied on: October 2, 2026 at 3:15:07 AM

Of course. We're glad you found it helpful.

#24

francis October 1, 2026 at 11:52:05 PM

hello! this is, if not obvious- fuwafuransu. no, i am no longer a proshipper, and though i am neutral right now i am still actively getting help for my mental instability as well as paying for my husband's own therapy (and helping him out personally.) i mentioned already that i am desensitized to a bad upbringing, so i won't bring that here- i do just want to say i'm getting better and do not engage with or encourage any darkship / darkfic content that my friends, family, or otherwise are making/consuming. im aware that doing nothing is bad, so i just want to state it outwardly, i am attempting to help the people i know who indulge in these things to get better, rather than just idly standing by and letting them do it. that being said, it's anyone else's choice what to do with this, i just wanted to get it out here since i wasn't very thorough with my previous responses on my atabook and alike. i'm sorry for that as well, and as one of the previous anons said, i'm no longer identifying with the label or community of proshipping since i know better by now. i've changed quite a lot since i DID identify with it have an amazing evening/rest of your day, and thank you if you take this to heart

Replied on: October 2, 2026 at 3:09:24 AM

I understand the point you are trying to make, but your argument falls short based on two things which go hand in hand. One, is like i mentioned before, neutrality breeds complacency, which has already been explained. Two, the definition of a proshipper. From what ive seen online, a true “proshipper” is someone who ship and let ship no matter how taboo the pairing is, INCLUDING incest and pedophilia. They do not believe in the harassment or censorship of people who enjoy these things. Antis do not agree with this mindset, and generally believe that there are certain lines that shouldnt be crossed even in fiction. Some of them resort to harassment, and some of them choose to simply avoid such proshippers. Both are spectrums. Your claims, how you dont personally indulge in them but still allow others to, makes you by definition, a proshipper. You can think its unhealthy all you want. You can scream neutrality all you want. But so long as you believe people are allowed to ship those things, you have the mindset of a proshipper. Antis, as i understand, have stigmatized the word to solely mean someone who actively engages in unhealthy behavior as mentioned before which may come across as a very negative connotation by itself. But personally, i know that no matter if a person likes these topics or not, as long as they are okay with it, i know i would not want to be around them either way. -Maj I am glad that you are getting help for you and your husband, though, and I do wish you both a recovery in hopes that your outlook on this subject can perhaps change to be a healthier one for the sake of yourselves. Thank you for at least being honest and sending us this message. - 🐇 Admin

#23

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 10:48:46 PM

anon from before! ok, thank you for ur response ❤️ im still tryihg to wade through this all myself wnd i appreciate a second perspective :cheers:

Replied on: October 2, 2026 at 3:11:02 AM

Of course, and thank you for your message and your understanding.

#22

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 10:39:19 PM

im starting to think that proshippers have a genuine stigma around recovery like i hope they know from an outside perspective they look so addicted to pedophilia and incest that they refuse any other forms of support

Replied on: October 2, 2026 at 3:14:45 AM

Truly. From the bottom of my heart I do hope they are able to recover but it doesn't seem like they want to most of the time, and really it doesn't look like "coping" as much as it is simply wanting to fetishize and romanticize these topics.

#21

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 9:24:08 PM

hi. can i kindly, calmly ask if you've bothered to like,, idk.. update yourself on one of the main 3 you are targeting ..? i talk to this person on a regular and imo i think the explanation was quite reasonable. how are you gonna blame someone for being a little desensitized to the media they grew up with? on a similar note while i do agree wjth you that profic/darkfics shouldnt interact with the people eho have that in their dni, i would also like to note that one of these people no longer supports it. yes, they are neutral, but that refers to my above point and from what i know there is no active engagement in that side of the fandom finally, i want to point out that i think it's a little odd we are going after these people instead of oh.. i dont know.... the guy doxxing people in public chat ?????? thats all i have to say. you can acknowledge my words if you want or you can go ahead and throw them to the fire. i dont get to dictate what you do with your free time. thanks

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 10:11:54 PM

1) i dont know who "this person" is. desensitization is not a death sentence. you can unlearn behaviors and relearn healthier mindsets if you have the will. i know because ive done it before. if thats too hard at the moment, you can at the very least aknowledge that its something you should work towards. unfortunately however, all i hear from the morally dubious side of this space has been excuse after excuse as to why their experiences are justified, instead of how they can improve it. 2) being neutral does not correlate to not supporting it. ive mentioned this to him before too, but inaction only allows for compliance. if you arent directly against something, you are still inadvertently supporting it by choosing not to stop it. 3) i have no idea who youre talking about. i play ponytown everyday, and i have never seen anything like that before. if i do in the future, i will take your word and post them on our rentry. -Maj In addition to this, I'd also like to state that if we have reason to believe that someone listed has changed their mindset and/or behavior, we'd be happy to have a conversation with them take them off the list. - 🐇 Admin

#20

🐇 Admin October 1, 2026 at 9:02:03 PM

Leaving a separate message so that it is more visible: One of the admins, Maj, has written a statement in response to vrysgore's apology, to show why they are still listed on our document regardless of their apology: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1On1xmH7zmFGst7MdygST0sNwNY6V0IuVgbhQeGPkHMc/edit?usp=sharing

#19

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 7:48:38 PM

i find it funny how everyone here keeps sending them same ask but worded differently. come on guys just admit ur defense is ass atp

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 9:09:46 PM

I think they're just desperate to somehow feel like their argument is correct. Liking incest and rape is weird no matter what, sorry guys!

#18

Ow😳 October 1, 2026 at 6:31:45 PM

Poo them all guys poo them ok?

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 9:04:23 PM

ANYTHING FOR YOU OWEN

#17

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 2:24:47 PM

The point is that you are saying how they are friends with said proshippers without providing proof of how they are friends with said proshippers. Its either you are assuming, or that you dont have the proof. Everyone has different coping mechanisms. Everyone has a different mindset when they are in an unhealthy mental state and fictional ships should be the least of your worries, especially if its kept private. Sometimes said people cant even afford "better routes" because thats how bad it is for them. Unrelated to the point im making, its interesting how you refuse to use rentry and say you support countries in need which seems completely performative considering matt still gets revenue even if you use adblockers. Dont dodge the topic and take the words into consideration.

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 3:23:23 PM

Quite frankly you are just repeating points that I have already answered. If you are confused as to who I am referring to, they are literally in a screenshot on the document. Github user fuwafuransu , in the screenshot their old username silhouetteofawiltedflower , admitted to being a proshipper (despite not claiming any of the labels) and is also married to a darkshipper. They are friends with a large portion of the area, evident by their github bio tagging multiple others + everyone they associate themselves with even if they are not tagged. Everything else you have brought up here has been answered in previous messages. Thank you for your messages.

#16

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 1:48:30 PM

As a response to your response, here is the apology document you asked for. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ONJ4kjqIirRvSiJfG8rcgYWvT5sdbS98PyHiPjntas/edit?tab=t.0 please do further research before making a "document".

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 9:00:49 PM

One of the admins, Maj, has written a statement in response to this apology. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1On1xmH7zmFGst7MdygST0sNwNY6V0IuVgbhQeGPkHMc/edit?usp=sharing

#15

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 9:13:05 AM

If most of the area is full of proshippers, as youve mentioned, id like for the evidence to be provided instead of filling your rentry with empty words. It feels like you are just clickbaiting people by showing them only 3 people. If you had known this, why didnt you make a document regarding it earlier? And im pretty sure some of the people you've mentioned have trouble regarding their mental health. Im not gonna assume you want to understand because you have the luxury of a therapy. Most people dont. And if you bothered to inspect close, you would realise how most people at the hetalia area is immature and still cant get their facts straight. And stop spreading misinformation about certain individuals. Yes, someone can change a lot in just 3 months.

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 2:04:53 PM

I will not be addressing the first part of this seeing as how I answered this point in the last message. I'm sure everyone who likes incest has a mental health issue! Nobody sound of mind would enjoy that. Despite all your claims that we are assuming and being disingenuous, now YOU are assuming that we have the "luxury of therapy". None of us are in therapy, and most of us are not medicated. I personally have had my own traumatic experiences that I'm sure lots of other people have also had similar experiences to, and I did not come out of it enjoying incest and rape, surprisingly! Using it as a coping mechanism is not by any means healthy and we would not support it under any reasoning, and we encourage those who use it as such to seek healthier methods of coping. Even without therapy there are plenty of better routes to take.

#14

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 9:03:46 AM

I'd also like to mention that you pointed out only 4 people in the hetalia area when there's around 30. yet your rentry says "(fucking most of them)". Its better to change the wording since people can misunderstand.

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 1:58:10 PM

Many are friends with proshippers, which, as stated before, is only encouraging their beliefs as they are neutral on what profiction stands for. Neutrality on that is no better than outright supporting it, regardless of if they choose to align with the label or not.

#13

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 8:52:24 AM

It's also weird how you mention "secret proshippers". Why should it matter to you what they ship as long as they keep it private and dont tell it to anyone? Stop trying to morally justify your actions. And if you want to spread awareness, make it so you put a warning that doesn't harass those people because it seems thats exactly what you want to happen. Again, disingenuous.

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 1:55:16 PM

Many people, ourselves included, have a firm stance on proshippers and we do not want them to interact with us. If people are hiding this fact, THAT is disingenuous and breaks our set boundaries. We have repeatedly had this situation happen, where a profic person befriends us without telling us their stances, and then we find out much later on. This could be the same for anyone else, which is why we care. As for a warning, I will add that to our document. Obviously we are not harassing or encouraging others to harass them, and if that NEEDS to be stated, I'll put that in place.

#12

Anonymous October 1, 2026 at 8:49:32 AM

there are people who dont use adblocker and click on your rentry. Not everybody knows matt is a zionist and you are contributing to it by using it. Its also fascinating how you spread misinformation about vrysgore. They have proshipping mentioned nowhere in their document, and that was a blacklist and it happened months ago. They have an apology document in their github account, please recheck your sources when you put up something. You are just disingenuous. And again, please stop using rentry. You are just enabling revenue for a zionism even if you use adblockers yourself. Your URLs really cant worth more than the lives in palestine. 🙄

Replied on: October 1, 2026 at 1:35:42 PM

Nowhere did we state that they specifically are a proshipper. The point of our document is to spread awareness about all weird people that may be at the area. Not simply proshippers. On our doc, we have evidence of them having skins of the nazi flag, which is immediately alarming. They are also noticeably friends with proshippers, which is by extension continuing to enable them. I checked vrysgore 's github to search for the apology document and their github account has since been deleted, so I'd appreciate if you provided said document for us to review.

#11

Val September 30, 2026 at 4:30:46 AM

I didn’t know what there were that many secret proshippers, thank u for exposing #very thankful

Replied on: September 30, 2026 at 4:52:19 AM

Glad you find it helpful.